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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 10:58pm
On Cooks, Doctors, and Other Things...
Ok, as promised here is a multiple round battle report where cooks and doctors are being used. I apologize for not doing any analysis of the report myself. I have little patience for those things.
The objective here is for you folks - who have been accompanying some of the discussion on these two units - to take your own conclusions from the battle report that will be shown. Naturally, anyone else wanting to jump into the bandwagon is more than welcome. What is being tried here is to determine to which extent these two units are useful on our armies.
The battle unfortunately didn't go exactly as I wished. My cook died right on the first turn and his cooks and doctor lasted throughout the whole battle, except on the very last round. You can however see a significant drop of stamina on that very same round when 2 cooks are killed. I would have liked if these units had been killed in a more spread out manner. So, this battle report probably serves only to initiate the debate and other reports will be needed in order to confirm some of the theories that can arise.
The battle takes place on an island with a Colossus.
Round 0:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook00.png
Round 1:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook01.png
Round 2:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook02.png
Round 3:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook03.png
Round 4:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook04.png
Round 5:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook05.png
Round 6:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook06.png
Final Round:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook07.png
Full Battle Report, for your convenience:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cookrep.png
This particular battle report enhanced one thing that I have been observing from other battles that I would also like to discuss. But for now, let us concentrate on the cook and doctor thing and later I will introduce that new subject on this same thread.
The objective here is for you folks - who have been accompanying some of the discussion on these two units - to take your own conclusions from the battle report that will be shown. Naturally, anyone else wanting to jump into the bandwagon is more than welcome. What is being tried here is to determine to which extent these two units are useful on our armies.
The battle unfortunately didn't go exactly as I wished. My cook died right on the first turn and his cooks and doctor lasted throughout the whole battle, except on the very last round. You can however see a significant drop of stamina on that very same round when 2 cooks are killed. I would have liked if these units had been killed in a more spread out manner. So, this battle report probably serves only to initiate the debate and other reports will be needed in order to confirm some of the theories that can arise.
The battle takes place on an island with a Colossus.
Round 0:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook00.png
Round 1:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook01.png
Round 2:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook02.png
Round 3:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook03.png
Round 4:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook04.png
Round 5:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook05.png
Round 6:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook06.png
Final Round:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cook07.png
Full Battle Report, for your convenience:
http://www.quiettech.co.uk/cook/cookrep.png
This particular battle report enhanced one thing that I have been observing from other battles that I would also like to discuss. But for now, let us concentrate on the cook and doctor thing and later I will introduce that new subject on this same thread.
This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Marus" (Mar 25th 2008, 11:21pm)
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:28pm
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Originally posted by JaeRoler
Doctors recover hp to units who have been damaged.
How much hp, how many units a turn for each doctor are still unknowns.
Hhuun? There is no HP? Doctor "resurect" death peoples.
From what I understand :
There's defence, when you take some hits, you lose defence, once it strike 0 you are dead (that last part is speculation). If at the end of the round a unit is under 100% defence, it lose stamina.
I'm quite sure there's a link betwen how much defence lost and the stamina you will lose, but how? Unknow.
Cook replenish stamina, enabling units to work at closer to optimal.
Doctor says " Ho no, that guy ain't dead"
Don't make yourself a target, downgrade your port.
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I am a legend.... Now where are those vampyres? Or maybe I could put a stake into APs....
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I am a legend.... Now where are those vampyres? Or maybe I could put a stake into APs....
Date of registration: Mar 7th 2008
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:31pm
HP = Defense = Armour Protection values in the FAQ. (So I used a more rpg term, sue me 
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From In-Game FAQ :
"Doctors take care of the wounded soldiers during the battle, to get them fighting fit again. And of course a doctor knows where his enemies are especially sensitive, in case he has to help out in the fight."
Edit :
It's not 0 actually, it's 90%, again from the In-Game FAQ :
"Should the damage exceed 90% of the armour protection value the unit will be killed. Otherwise they just lose stamina."
)From In-Game FAQ :
"Doctors take care of the wounded soldiers during the battle, to get them fighting fit again. And of course a doctor knows where his enemies are especially sensitive, in case he has to help out in the fight."
Edit :
It's not 0 actually, it's 90%, again from the In-Game FAQ :
"Should the damage exceed 90% of the armour protection value the unit will be killed. Otherwise they just lose stamina."
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "JaeRoler" (Mar 25th 2008, 11:32pm)
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:33pm
We have learned a lot about the human body! Now we can send doctors into the battle to help the wounded soldiers to quickly get back on to their feet again. Of course they can mix the right tinctures and some doctors even know a secret recipe for a mixture that makes our fighters even braver.
Doctors take care of the wounded soldiers during the battle, to get them fighting fit again. And of course a doctor knows where his enemies are especially sensitive, in case he has to help out in the fight.
Unfortunately this doesn't help much as we know a lot of things are yet to be implemented. So for know i think they simply bring back units that where down for the count, maybe even give a stat boost or help with stamina with their 'secret recipes'.
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:39pm
Originally posted by Xsinthis
Unfortunately this doesn't help much as we know a lot of things are yet to be implemented. So for know i think they simply bring back units that where down for the count, maybe even give a stat boost or help with stamina with their 'secret recipes'.
Well, to be honest there's not much this battle report can do to help understand anything about doctors. There's only one in there and he doesn't even die. So, better if we keep this thread on topic and perhaps concentrate on the cooks.
I'll start then...
Has anyone noticed how the defending side seems to lose stamina at a more or less steady and slow rate until he loses 2 cooks? At that time - last round of battle - his loses where heightened and the stamina drop was considerable.
I say this proves one thing and disproves one misconception. The thing it proves is that, obviously doctors have an impact on the battle calculations. The misconception it disproves is what we have been hearing that cooks work on one unit only.
Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:56pm
Originally posted by Xsinthis
well they could still only work on one type of unit at a time, as they had 3 cooks, 1 doctor, and three types of units fighting
Well I think it's pretty safe to assume that's not how it works. We can however agree that machina units benefit less from cooks. But I think that's the extent of cooks' picking.
Originally posted by Xsinthis
and i find it odd how they loose stamina even with 3 cooks
Well, of course they lose stamina. Cooks are only able to "heal" that much. They are not there to stop an unit from losing stamina altogether.
Originally posted by Xsinthis
but i wonder how much of an effect stamina has, i know if weakens them if it gets too low, but how low is too low? and by how much do they get weakened? I think more battles need to be run
All this is in the game FAQ. Let us please stick to the topic.
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Marus" (Mar 25th 2008, 11:57pm)
Wednesday, March 26th 2008, 12:00am
Originally posted by Marus
Originally posted by Xsinthis
but i wonder how much of an effect stamina has, i know if weakens them if it gets too low, but how low is too low? and by how much do they get weakened? I think more battles need to be run
All this is in the game FAQ. Let us please stick to the topic.
I think that point was totally important and on topic, as they could determine whether or not they are useful and worth the upkeep. Also, are we sure these are even implemented? i mean with so many things left out i wouldn't be surprised if these don't work yet.
Edit: sorry, just found the part in the FAQ that talks about stamina
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Xsinthis" (Mar 26th 2008, 12:02am)
